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	<title>Comments on: Porn: Pleasure or Profit? An Interview With Gail Dines, Part I</title>
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		<title>By: sdmitch16@youtube_or_disqus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miley was wearing a black tattered dress, not S&amp;M. Arguing against that picture is no better than people who complain Gail wants to end private BDSM. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miley was wearing a black tattered dress, not S&amp;M. Arguing against that picture is no better than people who complain Gail wants to end private BDSM.</p>
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		<title>By: pornforum</title>
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		<dc:creator>pornforum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s all for profit. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#039;s all for profit.</p>
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		<title>By: sex and pornos</title>
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		<dc:creator>sex and pornos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm i think who like it can do it and see the others should ignore it or tolerate it </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm i think who like it can do it and see the others should ignore it or tolerate it</p>
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		<title>By: Aletha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aletha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessica Land, part of it is all the bad blood, which I see no way to get past. Do you actually think people such as Sheldon and I could work together on anything? I could ask for a definition of sex-negative, but it is so obvious there can be no common ground on the meaning of that insult, why bother? 
 
Another part of the dilemma is that it is difficult to credit the idea of substantially improving the lives of women in pornography or prostitution, because of the nature of the beast. To me, the obvious way to improve their lives is to help them get out, but it appears that is a minor focus for your &quot;side.&quot; However, I would agree that throwing prostitutes in jail is not at all helpful, for them or society. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessica Land, part of it is all the bad blood, which I see no way to get past. Do you actually think people such as Sheldon and I could work together on anything? I could ask for a definition of sex-negative, but it is so obvious there can be no common ground on the meaning of that insult, why bother? </p>
<p>Another part of the dilemma is that it is difficult to credit the idea of substantially improving the lives of women in pornography or prostitution, because of the nature of the beast. To me, the obvious way to improve their lives is to help them get out, but it appears that is a minor focus for your &quot;side.&quot; However, I would agree that throwing prostitutes in jail is not at all helpful, for them or society.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you to characterize my remakrks on Dines as gross distortions is interesting since, on your own Free Soil Party blog, you admitted that some of Dines&#039; associations have been &#039;unfortunate&#039;.  Well, that&#039;s one way to put it! 
 
And, is every webhoster listed on Wordpress affiliated with religious fundamentalsts?  Did Dines and her friends even attempt a background check, via Google if nothing else?    
 
Of course &#039;sex-negative&#039; fits you.  Your defensiveness is reminiscent of het folks who oppose gay marriage but claim that they are not homophobes because they &#039;hate the sin, love the sinner.&#039; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you to characterize my remakrks on Dines as gross distortions is interesting since, on your own Free Soil Party blog, you admitted that some of Dines&#8217; associations have been &#8216;unfortunate&#8217;.  Well, that&#8217;s one way to put it!</p>
<p>And, is every webhoster listed on WordPress affiliated with religious fundamentalsts?  Did Dines and her friends even attempt a background check, via Google if nothing else?   </p>
<p>Of course &#8216;sex-negative&#8217; fits you.  Your defensiveness is reminiscent of het folks who oppose gay marriage but claim that they are not homophobes because they &#8216;hate the sin, love the sinner.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To me that implies a right to assistance, for instance vocational, educational, emotional rehabilitation, to develop a skill or talent that would enable a woman to find a better way to make a living.&quot;

I&#039;m with you, if that is a woman&#039;s choice. 

I raise this issue here that I raised in a comment on Part II: Why won&#039;t people from your &quot;side&quot; work with us when it comes to improving the lives of people in pornography, which obviously includes better assistance when trying to transition out of the industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To me that implies a right to assistance, for instance vocational, educational, emotional rehabilitation, to develop a skill or talent that would enable a woman to find a better way to make a living.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you, if that is a woman&#8217;s choice. </p>
<p>I raise this issue here that I raised in a comment on Part II: Why won&#8217;t people from your &#8220;side&#8221; work with us when it comes to improving the lives of people in pornography, which obviously includes better assistance when trying to transition out of the industry?</p>
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		<title>By: Aletha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aletha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, Sheldon? I was sorely tempted to let this thread die, but perhaps I should explain my mysteriously appearing comment. Did you not understand my allusions to the moderators? Five of my comments between these two entries were temporarily held up in moderation, presumably for violating the comment policy, which says in part: &quot;Criticisms of feminists/feminism should be respectful and constructive.&quot; However, it appears the moderators had no problems with your contemptuous character assassination and gross distortions of Gail Dines and her allies. Go figure.

By the way, do you actually think &quot;sex-negative&quot; fits me? I cannot speak for Gail Dines, but really, that description is completely absurd. But it fits in with the kind of reversal I have learned to expect in this arena of the &quot;sex&quot; wars. That is another misnomer; the wars have been about pornography, not sex.

I should have been more specific in my reference to &quot;a right to a way out.&quot; To me that implies a right to assistance, for instance vocational, educational, emotional rehabilitation, to develop a skill or talent that would enable a woman to find a better way to make a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, Sheldon? I was sorely tempted to let this thread die, but perhaps I should explain my mysteriously appearing comment. Did you not understand my allusions to the moderators? Five of my comments between these two entries were temporarily held up in moderation, presumably for violating the comment policy, which says in part: &#8220;Criticisms of feminists/feminism should be respectful and constructive.&#8221; However, it appears the moderators had no problems with your contemptuous character assassination and gross distortions of Gail Dines and her allies. Go figure.</p>
<p>By the way, do you actually think &#8220;sex-negative&#8221; fits me? I cannot speak for Gail Dines, but really, that description is completely absurd. But it fits in with the kind of reversal I have learned to expect in this arena of the &#8220;sex&#8221; wars. That is another misnomer; the wars have been about pornography, not sex.</p>
<p>I should have been more specific in my reference to &#8220;a right to a way out.&#8221; To me that implies a right to assistance, for instance vocational, educational, emotional rehabilitation, to develop a skill or talent that would enable a woman to find a better way to make a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Cavallucci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle Cavallucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 22:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos, Shira, for facilitating such a rich discourse on this subject. I love your moxie, and am obviously NOT alone. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos, Shira, for facilitating such a rich discourse on this subject. I love your moxie, and am obviously NOT alone. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Aletha&#039;s post from 7/19 - which for somne reason just popped up today - it&#039;s important to understand that &quot;guilt by association&quot; as a tactic was started in the Sex Wars by Dworkin and MacKinnon and continues today with Dines and Stop Porn Culture.  If they are now getting the short end of the stick that they wielded against other feminists, then they have no one to blame for that but themselves. 

   Sex-positive feminists give as good as they get.  They are not like those timid Democrats scared by Fox News into axing Shirley Sherrod.

   Inasmuch as Dines and Stop Porn Culture claim to be so high-falutin&#039; and radical in their feminism, their hypocrisy needs to be exposed, regardless of Aletha&#039;s &quot;Wordpress-made-me-do-it&quot; defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Aletha&#8217;s post from 7/19 &#8211; which for somne reason just popped up today &#8211; it&#8217;s important to understand that &#8220;guilt by association&#8221; as a tactic was started in the Sex Wars by Dworkin and MacKinnon and continues today with Dines and Stop Porn Culture.  If they are now getting the short end of the stick that they wielded against other feminists, then they have no one to blame for that but themselves. </p>
<p>   Sex-positive feminists give as good as they get.  They are not like those timid Democrats scared by Fox News into axing Shirley Sherrod.</p>
<p>   Inasmuch as Dines and Stop Porn Culture claim to be so high-falutin&#8217; and radical in their feminism, their hypocrisy needs to be exposed, regardless of Aletha&#8217;s &#8220;WordPress-made-me-do-it&#8221; defense.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Happening &#171; One Witchy Feminist</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Happening &#171; One Witchy Feminist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bosses are approving a domain for porn sites. Yuck! Ms. Blog takes this issue on with an interview with Gail [...]</description>
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